Did I play this terribly?
Posted by DannyApr 30
For those who saw the hand I posted last week, the results were that I ended up calling the flop raise and call/allin the turn bet on a 5 turn. I lost to K4. I think given the responses and thinking about it more that it was played fine by me. I want to fold badly when he bets the turn but he may be repping too little or show up with some weird value too much to actually do it.
Today, I played this HU sng hand and afterwords I got berated hard core for it. I’m wondering what you guys think of this since its clearly a crazy play to make. Note I have zero reads on this guy. He’s likely a lower stakes hu sng reg or competent in some form of holdem given he is a supernova VIP status on PS.
PokerStars Game #43373590741: Tournament #267867597, $550+$20 USD Hold’em No Limit – Match Round I, Level I (10/20) – 2010/04/29 18:39:38 ET
Table ’267867597 1′ 2-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: heybude (1500 in chips)
Seat 2: joachimpowa (1500 in chips)
heybude: posts small blind 10
joachimpowa: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to heybude [Jh 3s]
heybude: raises 20 to 40
joachimpowa: calls 20
*** FLOP *** [7h 7d Ts]
joachimpowa: checks
heybude: bets 40
joachimpowa: calls 40
*** TURN *** [7h 7d Ts] [As]
joachimpowa: checks
heybude: bets 120
Everything is pretty standard up to this point. I bet this turn even though he had some aces and tens in his range. I felt like there were some king highs and gutters he would call the flop with or even total floats so I wanted to get him off those hands. It seemed plausible as well that he could give off some easy timing tell that he didn’t have a 7, which means I could do some extreme like overbet the river and expect him to fold.
joachimpowa: raises 260 to 380 (timing: relatively quickly)
heybude: calls 260
I won’t get into my reads too much, but I thought it was unlikely he would do anything like this without a 7x or 77, so he was probably bluffing. My issue was how do I win the hand. The size of my stack made a reraise awkward. I felt like it was more likely he had some sort of combo turned with a gutter and fd than pure air so I felt like it was like if I called the raise I could easily shove and win if he checked. But if he continued his bluff, I was screwed. Also, I felt like I couldn’t reraise because he could simply shove his draw and id have to fold. One factor that supported calling was his stack was actually going to be slightly under pot, which would make it possible for me to bluff shove a big river bet that wasnt all in.
*** RIVER *** [7h 7d Ts As] [3h]
joachimpowa: bets 1040 and is all-in (nearly instantly)
So I hit my 3 on the river and to my dismay he overshoved the pot, which makes my potential bluff here seem terrible. On the other hand, I hit my 3…
heybude: calls 1040 and is all-in
Is this a blunder with too many assumptions or bad analysis? Or did I make a genius call?
8 comments
Comment by Max on April 30, 2010 at 4:06 am
Hmmm i mean he basically has pot behind so there’s potential for this happening. It would just be really annoying if he has spades and called your shove (but then again it would be a clear mistake to call). I would just give up the turn. Actually i wouldnt bet the turn because i think there’s A high in his c/c range and you have no equity
Comment by pistons87 on April 30, 2010 at 9:24 pm
Like you said, everything is standard up to the turn. I think the key to this hand is pf action. With him flatting your min raise, he has a lot of Ax rag and sometimes can hav a 7. ( a wide range will call pf). The fact that he flats your raise on the flop and puts in a fairly small re raise on your turn bet indicates that he is trying to get value out of Ax to me. Sometimes he will have 89ss or J9 etc but not most of the times imo, so no point in you calling your stack at 10 20 when you are uncertain. I think you should double barrel but give up the turn here when he re raises.
Comment by Harthor on April 30, 2010 at 11:46 pm
I like your analysis, i think if u called the turn u should call the river, i think he’s only overbetting the river with the 7 or with air
Comment by PokerM3 on May 3, 2010 at 12:54 pm
wow..what a dirty spot you have here. first of all, reading about the other hand you posted..k4?! lol. Anyway, thats part of the small percentage of times when u lose in that spot.
About this one..well thats pretty sick.But my instinct tells me thats a bluff/bluff situation.You were both thinking at the same things so his position was very good to try to bluff there. So if i would be on this situation on the river ( despite that i wont go there too often without playing vs a top player) I would probably call too. There are so many (semi)bluffs he can try there(including turn) that I would find it hard to believe that he has my 3 beaten.But this looks a lot like a coin flip so I would try to avoid it as much as I can :p
Cheers !
Comment by Danny on May 3, 2010 at 9:02 pm
PM3,
I disagree with the idea that he should think I’m trying to bluff him. I feel like my line is very congruent with a nut hand, which was a big factor on why I felt compelled to stay in the hand, but also a factor against reading his hand as a bluff.
Comment by PokerM3 on May 4, 2010 at 6:25 am
You said you have no read against this guy and when you call the river there you can beat only air or maybe pocket deuces. So if he is not bluffing then you’re out. Why wouldn’t he think you wanna bluff there as he called the flop, c/r the turn and shove overpot the river? Either he thought you are bluffing big time either he extracted maximum value from you! You feel like your line is congruent with a nut hand..but does he feels the same way?
Anyway, this is a rare spot so I think we should concentrate more on difficult situations but those which occure more often.
Comment by Bruce on May 21, 2010 at 8:47 am
I like your analysis, i think if u called the turn u should call the river, i think he’s only overbetting the river with the 7 or with air
Comment by Kocurrek on February 3, 2011 at 4:50 am
And what he had? Show on the river with A is without sense imo. I think if u flatted turn he could easly put u on Ace. If its good player he propably play 7 that way( shoving river). But that only my opinion…